22 thoughts on “PD vision of Dublin”

  1. Even if they got the go-ahead for that project, the finished product would never look like that, because whenever one set of cranes comes down, another lot gets put up, thus guaranteeing we will never have a decent skyline to look at.

  2. It will never happen. You might as well ask a 9-year old to draw the “city of the future” and call that your next big project.

  3. Whats wrong with a high rise dublin. Look at belfast alot higher and looks far better then Dublin. Personnelly I think dublin looks terrible for a capital city at the moment. something needs to be done.

    A radical overhaul in planning is needed in this country. If planning was overhauled that skyline would go up in 10 years (persumming no major construction bust). It would also stop the dublin sprall. I think it is a good Idea. While the image above i say is from the SIMS

  4. Reminds me of Dubai!

    Yeah, let’s let people build taller offices and residential blocks – the views for those living and working in those buildings would be spectacular, so I don’t know why the PDs mentioned cruise ships, in Ireland of all places.

  5. I don’t know why the PDs mentioned cruise ships, in Ireland of all places.

    As if the Dallas music wasn’t bad enough, I’m now hearing the music to Love Boat.

  6. Pete, cruise ships are regular visitors to Dublin – they just park a long way down from the Custom’s House. My gf used to work for [a prominent woolen mill] and they’d to go down to the ships and hand out commercial propaganda to the elasti-waisted cruisers waddling down the gangway.

    They pop into town order some Waterford Crystal, quaff questionable pints in Temple Bar and then bugger off back to their ship.

  7. Horrid,
    Why the rush to build highrise? There is a need to build up, thats true, but that doesn’t mean skyscrapers. Yes, Dublin is one of the few low rise capital cities remaining, but thats something we should be happy about. It’s a human-sized city. Plus, the only reason there has been no planning permission given for taller buildings thus far is that there simply isn’t the expertise in the country to be albe to sign off on the fire safety certs for buildings over a certain height, until that happens, Dublin will remain lowrise.

  8. I can think of quite a few cities that are not high-rise, and all the better for it. What’s the rush to replace the old. In some European cities old buildings have been preserved and the city retains a uniqueness. All the cities that have gone surreal are a mess and they all look alike.

  9. A great vista. The PDs are absolutely right. Dublin needs to forget about the semi-detached 3-bedroom residence with front and back gardens if it is ever to come to grips with its housing crisis.

    Living in the city, within walking/biking distance of work and play, in a roomy apartment up on the 80th floor, costing a mere E250,000 will be a dream come true for most. And it will cut down dramatically on car numbers, car use and associated pollution not to mention road deaths and getting-home-from-the-pub-drunken-driving.

    What’s not to like? If it’s good enough for New Yorkers including their millionaires, it should be good enough for ordinary Dubliners. Why even Donald Trump lives in a flat.

    Of course the availability of thousands of such downtown apartments will destroy Dublin’s ridiculously hyper-inflated housing market for many years to come. But, hey, we want affordable housing for everyone don’t we? DON’T WE?

    (I thought not.)

  10. Who else thinks it looks like shite?

    Yes. Sustainable communities my ass. This is about profit maximisation.

    in a roomy apartment up on the 80th floor, costing a mere E250,000

    Do you seriously believe that those apartments would go on sale at those prices? I don’t think it’s at all a likely prospect. They’ll just become hyper-inflated like everything else.

  11. “a roomy apartment up on the 80th floor, costing a mere E250,000”

    “Do you seriously believe that those apartments would go on sale at those prices?”

    Yes, I do. Definitely. Maybe even less.

    Think about two things.

    First, the land area of that apartment is shared by at least 80 other apartments, which makes its cost a non-consideration. Similarly, the construction costs per apartment in a large block are way lower than those of a small block or a single house.

    Second, once a few such mega-blocks are built, the Dublin market will, effectively, be flooded with thousands of new homes. Supply and demand dictates that prices must fall. And not only for those new flats – also for all of Dublin’s existing housing stock (including, unfortunately, my own … and maybe yours). There will also be a knock-on downward effect on house-prices in the rest of the country.

  12. Dublin is a mess! Anybody involved in its planning should be embarrassed. And a huge contribution to this mess is the sprawl that is continuing to eat up the countryside. It’s resembles development in Los Angeles. A huge mass of low density suburbia and highways.

    High rise for central Dublin is a great idea. It will create thousands of jobs. And many of these workers can live nearby in apartments. I don’t think prices will be as low a €250,000. Demand for property in Dublin is phenomenal. The centre of Dublin is only so big. You can only place so many apartments. Prices would remain high because the number of people wanting to live in central Dublin will.

    Of course if there’s going to be any high rise development like this in Dublin the neccessary infrastructure needs to be put in place to cope. Transport, sewerage etc. would all have to be upgraded hugely. And the preservation of older buildings is also important.

  13. Why should we be proud of our low rise city? It’s like saying we should be proud of our motorway free country in the eighties.

    It’s not like we’re debating something new here – like replacing the ESB with the Wind Turbine and Solar Panel Supply Board. Skyscrapers are old news and they do work.

    “I can think of quite a few cities that are not high-rise, and all the better for it” – Why? What type of ‘better’? Just you not liking high rises ‘better’?

    “In some European cities old buildings have been preserved and the city retains a uniqueness” – They’re going to build this on ugly semi-wasteland on the poolbeg peninsula not in the city. There are no historic buildings to preserve. Thats the whole point. I lived in Sadymount for years. Its is a very very ugly site over there.

    “Why the rush to build highrise? There is a need to build up, thats true, but that doesn’t mean skyscrapers” What would you suggest? Build down?

    “It’s a human-sized city.” – As opposed to what? Is New York a hippo sized city? That’s just bord failte 80’s slang for parochial penny pinched backwater

    “there simply isn’t the expertise in the country to be albe to sign off on the fire safety certs for buildings over a certain height” – Then we’ll change it. We spend so much time in this country debating things that have gone on abroad for DECADES. Should we not build up because of ill trained and equipt services? Or should the services change to accomodate the future? They should change.

    “it’s a McCity” So is our Georgian ‘heritage’ – its identical to many cities built at the same time. Dublin is already a McCity. Everywhere is.

    Nobody cares if whiney middle class suburbanites have their view of two stripey chimnies ruined. Why do we prioritise bland low rise crap over high rise? Its more offensive looking at the awful awful six story stuff going up around dublin at the moment.

    high rises:

    1/They will not negativley impact the historic core – they’re out in the bay.
    2/They will move activity in the city eastwards and spread it more evenly

  14. I think it looks marvellous, and it’s just a pity there are so many small town mentality people who are thwarting Dublin’s development.

  15. Of course its horrible. Im italian and i thought italians were the worst complainers but you guys are great contendants. i love Dublin, Dublin is great, it has a great vibe, it doesnt need to become like any other city. New York is the footprint of all skyscrapers city to come, that’s why it works, its not a pale imitator. And it had no past history. its trademark building is the high rise. Dublin like all the european cities has another history. i think London is a mess, i dont want that to happen in dublin.

  16. I think it time Ireland joined the 21 century in STD of living in the past we are now one the richest countries in europe a for cry from the past i think is time to build up not out and stop cannibalizing our Beautiful country side. so why don’t we build a Beautiful city for not just for the 21 century but for our past & future

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